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    Tinyhandsbunkerboy
    Dash  ·  
    Jun 14

    IS GREEDFLATION REAL?

    in General Discussion


    As prices have increased faster than at any other point in four decades, lawmakers have scrambled for explanations. In recent months, some Democrats have landed on a new culprit: price gouging.

    The idea is that big companies have seized on inflation to jack up prices more than necessary. The White House has backed the claim, and congressional Democrats have introduced bills that target price gouging. Proponents of the theory have a catchy term for it: “greedflation.”

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    For Democrats, it is a convenient explanation as inflation turns voters against President Joe Biden. It lets Democrats deflect blame from their pandemic relief bill, the American Rescue Plan, which experts say helped increase prices. And it lets them recast inflation as the fault of monopolistic corporations — which progressives have long railed against.


    Not all progressives are on board. Jason Furman, an economist who served under President Barack Obama, said greed was not an important factor in the rise of inflation. He described the focus on price gouging as a distraction from the real causes and solutions.

    But the White House and other lawmakers are taking the theory seriously. So I want to look at the arguments for and against the idea that greedflation is driving higher prices.


    The Case For

    This is how the greedflation camp sees it: Inflation first rose because of other factors, such as COVID-19 and economic stimulus bills. But companies raised prices more than necessary to net higher profits. They knew they could get away with it because consumers no longer had a bench mark for what prices should be. And they did not face enough competition to keep prices down.

    Proponents of the theory do not claim that companies have suddenly become much greedier or monopolistic. For decades, corporate profits have risen faster than economic growth, and major parts of the economy, such as retail and finance, have become more concentrated in the hands of a few.

    But inflation gives greedy, monopolistic companies a chance to take advantage, said Lindsay Owens, executive director of the left-leaning Groundwork Collaborative. Profiteering “is an accelerant of price increases,” she told me. “It is not the primary cause.”

    Owens pointed to what companies have said in earnings calls over the past year. A Tyson Foods executive claimed that price increases for beef covered not just inflation but “more than offset” higher costs. Visa’s CEO said, “Historically, inflation has been positive for us.” Owens’ organization compiled a list of similar comments from other corporations.

    Representatives for Tyson and Visa said Groundwork mischaracterized the executives’ comments and took them out of context.

    At the very least, many corporations have not taken a large hit from inflation. Profit margins across more than 2,000 publicly traded companies last year “rose well above the pre-pandemic average,” a New York Times analysis found.


    The Case Against

    You do not need price gouging to explain inflation, and there are other, more widely accepted explanations, Furman said.

    COVID-19 disrupted supply chains globally. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine caused another wave of disruptions, particularly in food and energy. The stimulus bills left people with a lot of extra cash, and many Americans spent it. That prompted too much demand for too little supply, so prices increased.

    More recent developments have also weakened the greedflation theory. Inflation has remained high: 8.6% over the past year, according to a federal report released last week. But the stock market has plummeted; the S&P 500 was more than 20% below its January peak after a sharp drop Monday. And earnings calls have disappointed investors so far this year. If the pursuit of profits were driving more inflation, you would not expect to see that.

    The economic indicators offer a test going forward: If profits fall as inflation remains high, then gouging probably is not a major cause of rising prices.

    The greedflation theory also hinges on large companies leveraging their outsize market power to raise prices more than what should be possible in a truly competitive economy. But in some concentrated markets, that has not happened: Hospitals are highly consolidated, yet health care prices have risen more slowly than overall inflation over the past year.

    Health care prices are historically unusual; for most of the past few decades, they have risen more quickly than inflation. But their recent relative slowdown suggests that if greedflation is real, it is not a major factor across every part of the economy.


    The Bottom Line

    My read of the evidence: Price gouging could be driving higher prices in some places, but it is not universal.

    It is also not clear what progressives’ argument amounts to. The anti-gouging bills introduced in Congress have been criticized as impractical or even counterproductive. More antitrust enforcement — to break up or prevent the creation of monopolistic companies — could help, but only over the longer term. If greedflation explains some of our current problems, it does not offer a clear way out.


    https://news.yahoo.com/inflation-price-gouging-121652502.html



    Is Greedflation for real?

    • 0%Yes, companies raised prices to net higher profits?

    • 0%No, stimulus bills left people with a lot of extra cash?

    • 0%I don't think it is either!


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    Pat Rice
    Jun 15

    What is happening with oil is definitely price gouging? There are a few things you need to be aware of:


    1. In 2017, Saudi Arabia was allowed to purchase Port Arthur's Motiva refinery , which is the largest oil refinery in the USA as well as all of North America). It can produce over 600,000 barrels of oil per day : https://money.cnn.com/2017/05/01/investing/saudi-arabia-buys-largest-oil-refinery-port-arthur/index.html

    2. In April 2020, Trump cut a deal with Russia and the Saudis to cut USA oil production. This deal lasted through April 2022 and is a violation of antitrus laws: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/492262-trump-says-us-will-cut-oil-production-to-secure-global-deal/

    3. Saudi Arabia owns 1/3 of OPEC, which is setting the price of oil around the world. You can compare oil pricing world-wide here: https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/


    Housing is another area of price gouging: Using the City of Los Angeles as an example,

    1. Homelessness in LA was 36,165 homeless in 2019 and 41,290 in 2020. They have started recounting in 2022 after taking a hiatus in 2021 but new numbers are not out yet.

    2. There are 33,629 listings on the market in LA. In addition, some Airbnb "owners" have multiple property listings. http://insideairbnb.com/los-angeles/

    3. If you search airbnb, you have foreign owners or investment firms with multiple listings. One person had 10 LA Apartments available as an Air BNB


    Medicine. Today Katy Porter is taking on Pfizer and BMS over the pricing of blood thinners. (This applies to all medicine insulin, epi pens, etc)

    1. See her Twitter post here: https://twitter.com/RepKatiePorter/status/1537077442325667840?s=20&t=BnqFv0rxHsKx7465MdI2Ig

    2. At the beginning of the new year, our insurance stop covering Eliquis and said my spouse had to take Xarelto and I fought with them because it has been 2.5years on it without problems. The doctor was not advising to switch, but insurance just was not covering the medicine anymore. It's a game to them. I refused to budge and eventually won after being denied my appeal, so I pushed for a peer-review

    3. My spouse has a clotting disorder plus PFO and that was only diagnosed in 2019 after having a stroke that left him without speech and limited mobility on the right side. It took, 8 months of a daily neuro/physical rehab program that was from 9-3:30pm for 5 days a week to relearn speech and reteach functions we take for granted. Rehab ended due to covid shutdowns, but he is functional with degrees of apraxia and aphasia. So no, I'm not going to let the insurance company dictate, but we are fortunate that we could afford to fight for 2 months

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    Skin & Bones
    Jun 15
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    It's not only GREEDflation but it's also SHRINKflation. Goods are getting smaller for the same, or higher, price.

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    perlinator
    Jun 15
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    Price-gouging can be stopped by limiting all the out-of-control corporate mergers and buyouts. I think capitalism can work best for shoppers when there is competition between companies. If I ran a company that sells doorknobs, and there are three other companies also selling doorknobs, I know that if I decide to quadruple my prices, customers will save money by buying from my competition. If, however all four doorknob companies merge into one, the one and only doorknob company can charge outrageous prices and still sell lots of doorknobs.


    If every gas company is price-gouging, I have to wonder if they're really in competition with each other or if they're all actually connected in some way.

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    Pro-Vaccinator, not procrastinator
    Jun 15
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    @perlinator they aren’t connected in straight lines like one CEO calling another but they do see and feed off what each is doing in the marketplace.

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    cath
    Jun 15

    Trying to legislate against price-gouging seems impractical. The UK government did it in the early 1970's inflation. I think it's political theatre, but that's always existed.


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    Pro-Vaccinator, not procrastinator
    Jun 15
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    @cath we have legislated against price gouging and the disconnect between worker productivity and pay for as ling as we have had taxes here in US. Tax codes are a moral and societal instrument as well as a means to generate revenue needed to run our country. If we cannot regulate through financial rules and agencies then taxes force changes. We grew the largest middle class in history by taxing corporations high on profits but leaving reinvestment in the same untaxed. We could do so again and force CEOs and boards to return to societal focused motivators for biz decisions rather than strictly bottom line profitability or ROIs for investors. (I won’t even touch CEO remuneration.)

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    vaxxinate
    Jun 15
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    I think like most things, it's a mixed bag. Some companies have found they can jack up prices and get away with it right now so they do it even though their cost of goods sold doesn't justify the price increase. Companies will absolutely strive to maximize their profit margin.


    I don't think there is anything the Democrats can do about it. People will bitch and whine about the prices but in the end, they are still buying and until that slows down, the higher prices are here to stay.


    I am noticing some interesting trends in the housing market where I live. Homes are staying on the market for much longer unless they have lots of upgrades. The cookie cutter, boxy tract homes built in the past five years aren't moving. I've even seen some price reductions in the past couple of weeks.

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    Dip Dibbler
    Jun 14
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    The so-called "greedflation" is commonly known as Capitalism. Prices are set on "whatever the market will bear" (tolerate). I'm pretty cheap and don't buy much unless I really need it. Right now I'm considering a hot air popcorn popper. (they're important heh heh) instead of paying 5$ for a bag of store pop corn which is mostly air.


    The rarer the item, the more can be asked for it. Diamonds were originally marketed as rare and the distribution sneakily limited by the industry, thus the prices inflated. Actually, diamonds are the most common gemstones found. It's all the marketing. Some demand a diamond as a recognition of the worth of their relationship.


    Diamonds are ok, maybe nice but not very nutritious.

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