Yes I will move to a new site at once. Even if it ends up not being the site that we want for the Child of SAV at least it will be a place where people can come and establish their "membership" so that we won't lose contact with each other if this site suddenly goes "poof" because of non-payment. Do it sooner rather than later so that we can start "gathering" even if we don't have all of the structure, bells and whistles in place. And I am pretty nontechnical but if the site builders can think of a use for me I volunteer. Edited to add that "by moving immediately" I don't mean I will quit posting here but I do want a place established where we can all regroup when something happens.

Stop The Madness wrote: "Since Vaxman's whereabouts are completely unknown, it feels like we should be thinking about decamping to somewhere else." I have thought about what would happen if the site suddenly, simply disappeared. In a poof. No access. We would 1) lose all of the content that has already been built up - not simply the posts of Vaxmann/Vaxxlady and HCA but the comments to all of those posts; and 2) we would lose access to all of the people we have come to know on SAV and have no way of contacting them. If (when) we decamp to greener pastures I would very much like to capture the current posts and comments of SAV for the "archives" of the new site but don't see how we could ethically do that without Vaxxman's consent.

Please post or let us know the web site. I once belonged to a great group back in the dawn of time that just went "poof" one day because the one person who ran it and "owned" it had some sort of crise d'esprit and just shut it down. Fortunately, although every one in the group didn't automatically know how to contact everyone else, it turned out that enough people had contacts with 1 or 2 people, who then had contacts with with 1 or 2 others and we were able to eventually all reconnect but it certainly brought home to me how fragile online connections can be. If this site shut down tomorrow I literally would have no way of contacting a single person I have encountered on this site. I am not particularly secretive - I mean my name actually is Sissy Adams - and I don't mind people knowing my email address which is sissyadams778@gmail.com (one of the perks of being old and dull and poor is that you don't have to worry too much about crazies or stalkers because . . . well, you're dull and old and poor). Anyway yes I would like to see an alternative site established sooner rather than later and while I am luddite-level insofar as techno talent is concerned I would volunteer to be an admin if there was a need,

I would really like to see SAV continue and I think beyond simply an anti-vaxxer site. This sounds awfully pessimistic but something along an Apocalypse Watch site. I think that one of the reasons the anti-anti-vaxxer movement (that would be SAV) caught everyone's attention was that we thought it was finally the perfect FAFO example. We could argue until we were blue in the face about something like global warming to no avail because the FO of the FA was not immediate (or so we thought). The in your face results will show up in a decade or two decades or 50 years down the line. But with Covid the FO of the FA happened fairly quickly - friends died, family members died, enemies died all within the space of a year or two. Once they developped the vaccine many of us were briefly confident that the cultists and naysayers would realize the error of their ways and an instinct for self-preservation would prevail. Well - no. They cling to their delusions like a lead coffin in the big muddy. They would literally rather be dead than be educated. So in that sense SAV was a failure. Documenting the stupidity did not deter the fools. On the other hand many of the posters on this site are wonderful resources. They keep up with the politics, the science and they keep all of us informed. That is invaluable for me. Whether it is alternative energy, medical information, global warming or the buffoonery of misogynistic politicians this place shines a light on it and oftens suggests ways of dealing with it. I would like to see that continued but perhaps in a form where we could find things a little easier, communicate with specific members privately if we wished to do so, where topics are a bit more organized, etc. I am not techno-savvy and can't help on that front but I knw what I would like the site to look like.

The one brother in my family that is a Trumplican, NRA gun lover, clueless bigot is also vaxed and pays attention to mainstream medical advice; his loonie-ess-ness has not affected his sense of survival. Actually most of the Republicans I personally know (and they are on the spectrum of Trump loving to intense Trump mortification) are very sensibly vaxxed.

My only relatives who are Trumpers were already well on their way to being fringe loons before Trump. Fortunately they are in the distinct minority in my large and extended family.

I honestly can not fathom why anyone, unless it was medically indicated, would decline the use of paxlovid. I can not begin to praise it enough in my case. Granted my evidence is anecdotal but I can assure you my data point of one is pro-paxlovid all the way.

I don't know of anyone who has died of the flu. I personally know of 6 people however who died of Covid. Prior to vaccines 3 deaths : my best friend, the principal at my sister's school (she was a friend as well), and the neighbor across the street. All of these people were old-ish (like me) but aside from age the only one who was also in poor health was the neighbor (and he was in really poor health). After the vaccine was available 3 more deaths: a high school friend (vaccinated), my s-i-l's sibling (conspiracy theorist and serious anti-vaxxer - the dead sibling, not my s-i-l who is a sane, educated and vaxxed to the max) and another woman (of the acquaintance level, again, conspiracy theorist and serious anti-vaxxer). My friend from high school was vaccinated not sure if she was boosted but I would be surprised if she wasn't - she was already on oxygen from COPD - and how about this for irony - she was infected by the doctor who was her husband's cancer surgeon. Her husband died about a month after her but I don't think it was Covid. I think he just gave up. The other two women who died were healthy but old-ish one in her 60's and the other in her 70's. You know when you get to be in your 70's you start getting used to people dying - but it's always cancer or heart attacks or strokes. Or just plain old age - during the pandemic I lost two of my aunts. Since they were in their late 90's (and both vaxxed, boosted and isolating at home with all their books and music, it was more a matter of taking a nap and not waking up, instead of gasping for breath or strangling on your own mucous. So I'm calling that a win.

Also - I think instead of sticky notes I might try printing the message on to those Avery mailing labels you can feed into your printer. Has the advantage of not being as easily removable. Has the disadvantage (a big disadvantage) of not being easily removable by some woman who might need to take the phone number with her. For what it's worth I live in Texas and they are now supposedly drafting legislation that will make it illegal to even leave the state if you are leaving for the purpose of obtaining an abortion.

It's a great idea - and may help some woman who is desperate for info if the right hotline number is part of the message. I don't leave the house much but I think when I do I am going to try and do this. Women's restroom stalls : The new ground zero for a groundswell of support for the new disenfranchised. (Note: Since the the kristo-fascist GOP is hell bent on driving us back into the dark ages I thought it appropriate to employ "disenfranchised" in its archaic meaning.)

Not necessarily Covid - he could have died of an excess of bile.

Apparently he used his Grandmother's credit card to make his gun/ammo purchase.

@JasperIons You know what? I'm a 72 year old prissy over-educated prude who abhors that particular word but if Liverpool feels the need to employ it to fully convey her feelings concerning the mother of the terrorist I can't really fault her. I suspect our host will carry on just fine without getting the vapors. Edited to change my pronouns. I did not realize that Liverpool was a woman.

Pit bulls might not be any meaner than a chihuahua (actually I've known some really nasty chihuahuas) but obviously the chances of a pit bull doing serious, even fatal, damage is significantly higher than an equally vicious chihuahua. What I have noticed (strictly anecdotal) is that some really, really large breeds (Great Pyrenees, Anatolian Shepherd, Spanish Mastiff) are so mellow they are practically Zen personified (or I guess I should say caninified?). But common sense would just tell you that the larger the breed the more damage they can do if they are pissed off. And yes pit bulls account for more deaths than the other 34 breeds combined. The statistics are from a 13 year period (2005-2017 and the chart only shows the top 7 "killer" breeds)

I don't think of it so much as misogyny per se as I think of it as objectification, where the superficial appearance of the object determines its value. Where the person becomes an "it" much like where the slave who was healthy with good muscles was valued much higher than a smaller less robust slave; where a woman with large breasts is more valuable than a woman with smaller breasts or a man with a large penis is more valuable than a man with more modest genitalia. By and large people don't particularly like being turned into objects and hence why many people prefer to avoid those who operate from such a value system.

Yeah we got an air fryer and "gifted" it away within 2 months. It was just too small for our household of 6 and pretty worthless. My sister gave it to a co-worker, a single woman, and it should work fine for her dinky one person appetite.

That's an interesting progression of "book relationships (preferences?). I went from well over 1000 hard copy cooks on my shelves (probably approaching 2000), but about 15 years ago started "simplifying" (i.e getting rid of stuff) and gifting or giving away my books and am now down to about a hundred. It was a slow process. Initially I tried to find friends/relatives who I thought would really enjoy the books. By the end I was just loading up books to drop off at the "Friends of the Library and Literacy" non-profit used book store in town. The hundred or so hard-copy books I kept fall into two categories: art books and science books. The art books because you just don't get the same zing from looking at a computer screen picture of a famous painting, that you get from a giant glossy coffee table art book. The science books because I actually re-read them frequently and like to flip back and forth and compare things I am reading with other books etc something I find easier to do with a hard copy compared to my Kindle books. I also was a total fiction reader early in life (an English Lit major in undergrad school so think classics and books that won awards) but as I aged I started reading more and more non-fiction (primarily science). I still read a lot of what I consider total fluff but I've always relied on the library for that, and still rely on the library for it. In the fluff category I am a cozy English mystery and hard science fiction addict.

Fucking bastards. Every fucking piece of garbage republican politician. Plaster this video on every damn social media site you can. https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1521307942577790976?s=21&t=Xyhr6xeh2rEflfi4xg5t6A&fbclid=IwAR3MIgza3iukF7VCD0tItHKXLxwOm97Cxa5GTkldZa5I1yw6thcG9MtN0YI