I am noticing a lot of newcomers pushing back on “off topic” posts in the commentary sections. These folks all seem to come from the rightward end of the political spectrum. Some describe themselves as such and others just slowly reveal this after many postings with their wording and sources and/or statements. Yet these are the loudest voices against “off-topic” discussions despite the very stark fact that the topic is anti-maskers/anti-vaxxers/anti-public health vocal proponents who repeat all the same propaganda and bullshit on their social media and then die or suffer severe damages from the very same virus they shitpost about. And non of their shitposting is original—copy-paste BS developed and repeated primarily in right-wing echo chambers as a wedge issue to garner support for movement conservatism and their candidates.
This is very troubling for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that those calling for this censorship are the very people who need to take a good hard look at who they support and those people’s actions that contribute to the deaths and harm of innocents—including the wedge issue of the 2A. Supporting one part of the party engaged in their propaganda fed wedge issue politics means support of ALL that party and that movement represents. They should be proud to defend their support and proud to own it as well—not sweep the uncomfortable reality under the rug or drive it away from the more popular and contemporaneous discussions on the commentary pages and to the less popular and less well-visited forum pages.
I understand the difficulty of managing and moderating a site like this (been there, done that) but if education is truly the goal of this site than pushing uncomfortable (to some) discussions out of the limelight does everyone a disservice especially since it is demonstrably a life and death issue and only one political end of the spectrum apparently doesn’t give a shit if people live or die just as long as they can maintain their position of minority power. If you support this than I say have the courage of your convictions and own it and defend your position. In the interest of educational discourse we should all be happy to have a civilized conversation about the underlying issues driving the issue at hand here at SAV.
this could be like the many "keister" debacles.
On the other hand, how many dirty names for men are there? There should be more because men are such assholes at times it blows my mind.
It takes two to tango in a relationship and if you're going through a bad marriage, perhaps you should look in the mirror to have some idea of what half of it looks like.
I did it to myself, and I didn't pass the sniff test either. I'm not perfect but I sure don't deserve foul names from men who don't know me.
Hey Rats, did you get my text??
We were asked to bring off topic discussions to the forum. That's NOT censorship. You can discuss what you'd like, just somewhere else on the website. For the most part, I just scroll through the off topic stuff anyway. When I want the news, I get it from a trusted news source, not social media. I love this site, I love the people, but it will never be a place where I gather news. I come here to pick on and talk about stoopid anti-vaxxers. Usually to get away from the news because gawd knows there's nothing good going on.
As far as the use of the "C" word, that's not censorship either. I understood it as VaxxyLady requesting we not use it on her posts. It's a reasonable request. You can search your vocabulary to find another suitable word. Use it anywhere else you wish on the site.
I‘m still kinda shocked that some of the most heartless / hateful people I’ve ever come across could be hung up on a word, any word. Depravity within bounds. What a concept. I know who not to invite to the next coke fueled orgy.
Is “bukakked with stupid“ offensive to anyone?
Men, please look at it from a woman's point of view-it's considered by us to be literally the worst word to use about, or to a woman, and if a woman uses it, it's the most derogatory thing another woman can ascribe to her.
It reduces a woman to one sexual organ, which is not the entire woman. Some men don't think women are any more than that sexual denigration and it's their form of making women to be nothing more than that organ.
Imagine what you'd feel like if women called you a penis/peckerhead all the time. Kind of pisses you off, right? I know it doesn't bother you when other men call you that, but when a woman does it? Kind of degrading, huh?
Just don't use the word, and we'll be cool with it.
Due to a tech snafu with lovely Akasha, she and I are in contact. I still need to find a good way to safely link up. Akasha has said to share her contact info. I said you’d be a good hub person. Not sure exactly how Poida went about this. I was going to refer back to their post but now I can’t find it.
I asked for it on ONE post, Liverpool. One. We are a global community. What is acceptable in your country is not acceptable to a lot of women here in the USA. I don't understand why this one word is such a sticking point for you. I asked nicely. I asked for a favor. It wasn't a demand. I never threaded to ban anyone or anything. I asked nicely for a favor. Sorry that this has upset you so much. I really am baffled.
She's really not asking for much! And as another female I can understand why the C word is offensive to hear. Even though it fits the fits the AVers...
First off, this isn't directed at anyone in particular. I am just replying to you because it was your Forum comment.
I don't think complaints about censoring came from any member. Vaxxylady only asked that one particular word not be used because she found it offensive. She didn't say anyone would be banned for not adhering to the request...she just said she didn't like the word and asked for us not to use it. She suggested that Off Topic be put in the Forum. Now that, I have seen come from other members too, but I don't believe that is why she suggested it. It was only after the rhetoric went viral the other day. She said it was difficult to find the threads, and being a moderator that had the responsibility to moderate, she thought putting OT in the Forum would make it easier to find. She also said that things would return to normal when Vaxman returned.
I believe this whole thing about censorship and OT has been misconstrued and blown out of proportion. I feel we should do what Vaxxylady asked out of respect for her and the difficult job she has to monitor this website in Vaxman's absence. She doesn't need all the grief she's getting.
I'm sure things will go back the way they were soon, but until then, we should abide by Vaxxylady's request.
Right On Pro⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Yes, after so many “same song, different tune“ pathetic cases, the OT comments connecting the disinformation dots together is one of the best features of SAV. But the best thing is the irreverent humor. Anyhoo… I’m in a FB group, ‘Christians Against COVID Denialism.’ Much less entertaining and very polite. They wring their hands, vent at their maskless, vaxless brethren, and just don’t get how so many of their fellow Christians are so muddled and, basically, ”un-Christ-like.” Some of this group (a few) have been on our site. Anyway it’s interesting to see how some of them end up questioning their more fundamental beliefs because of their brutal experience with these ignoramuses.
Anyway count me pro-OT and proud!
Censorship online,in print,and on TV has gotten way out of line.This generation of wokes,cancels,i'm offendeds,and karens cannot handle the truth,history,or an opposite opinion.There's one very easy solution,scroll on by.
This is one very safe place for most of us old commie liberals who detest the right wing loonies who run this country-and we detest the way they're running it. I've been thrown off FB numerous times for getting nasty, and this is the only safe space where I can say, "Fuck DT". without getting banned or flamed because everyone else seems to be of the same mind set.
It's frankly a relief to be among like-minded people who don't give a shit what the right thinks.
so we mock dead people-who killed themselves by believing the lies the right wing media and politicians told them. They earned it.
SAV has been such an extraordinary place to vent off frustration and has been therapy. Brought the world together with the abject failure of those who chose to ignore the writing on the wall. Two plus years of literal hell.
Watching the rhetoric, listening to full stop lies and a cult of personality so deep, rattles one to the core. COVID-19 is a killer, yes. But the mix of faux religious pomp, algorithms and mis/disinformation is stunning. The racism, the hatred conspiracy BS and church and state becoming one has laid the ground for the US becoming a dystopian, unempathetic wasteland.
The medium is the message and social media has become the lead paint cesspool that has harmed, changed and crushed the human race.
Street justice is just that. The war on drugs is and always was a fucking abject failure. SCOTUS is an embarrassment. Trauma, poverty and the lack of care for the living is a horror show. Pro-birth cabal wants to feed souls into their prison system, wage slavery and it's all about CONTROL. Full on death cult.
Politics and religion...never the twain shall meet. Let us not let these MF's who work for us, allow us to be dragged back to the dark ages. We must fight against this prolific evil. We are the beacons of light against the rocky, dark and FU malarkey.
Some call it mocking. This is your come to whoever your maker is, it's a sheer cold hit of reality talking.
I was getting tired of hearing all the complaints about OT on the entry pages. Some from users I recognize and some from users I don't. It was getting so tedious to the point that I considered ditching the site.
But then I remembered a key tenet of the SAV community (although it doesn't say it on the homepage, or anywhere else for that matter). And that is that the overly sensitive, easily offended, extra-woke PC police need to be told a good "fucking off" to keep things in perspective. As Pro mentioned, their political motivation for being so are suspect. As much as the right likes to pretend it's Democrats who drive "cancel culture" no group is more likely to cancel over political correctness than the GQP, the evangelical right, and Trumpanzees. It's the OLDEST republican strategy in the playbook, preemptively accuse the other side of doing what they're already doing. And for those who are Dem or Indy and playing the role of PC police, they are affirming the GQP's narrative.
There are too many important things converging in our society at the same time. Anti-vax shitposting and dying from COVID is only part of it, as Pro so articulately described above. We have gun culture spinning out of control. We have one political party and their voters OPENLY embracing authoritarianism (for the first time in my not-so short life) and their Orange Shitstain leader. There are even members of the republican party who are trying to out-fascist the Orange Shitstain to position themselves to the right of him in case his 2024 plans don't pan out.
Aside from the fact that we are ALL here on a regular basis making fun of idiots who shitpost and then die an unnecessary and preventable death, many members of the SAV community are very nice and respectful (not that there's anything wrong with that). I, on the other hand have one superpower, and that is the ability to be a fucking prick when I need to be. It's a fun job (although often thankless) but somebody has to do it. There are just too many existential crises coming together at the present time for me not to be.
Love that! A well thought out commentary. You did all the heavy lifting. Thanks
Can I say it here? TED CRUZ IS A CUNT!
Clearly, these cretins clamoring for censorship must be silenced.
We mock the dead, literally mock the dead and their families, but keep it OT and don't use coarse language, we need to have standards. 🌮
The people who would censor others should look at themselves for who and what they believe in. You can't have it both ways-telling others to shut up while engaging in hate speech is pure and simple hypocrisy.
We're grownups here, and if you can't talk like a grown up and act like one, get out. We're tired of kissing the asses of people who have hissy fits over nothing. I'm too damn old to have to censor my speech to make other people happy.
You can sit on it and spin, as another writer reminded me the other day.