Civil war or secession?

Civil War or Secession? Neither. The fact that very nearly 50% of our population are rabid righty, Trumpist or some combination thereof and believe the bullshit and are willing to become a Christian fundamentalist kleptocracy is so disheartening I'm more about abandoning ship.

The dream is over.

We're pretty much anchored here so long as my 98 yo Mom is still alive, but are hoping (Covid willing) to head over to the maritimes this summer to begin setting up an escape pad. From there, NZ, Australia, even Portugal look better than here.

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I'm going to post my comment before reading the article (which I fully intend on reading).

I know there are pros and cons, but I am in favor of splitting this shit up. Maybe 5 ways. I read a comment above that CA could easily survive on their own and that's true. CA's economy is higher than most countries in the world. Fifth largest in the world per some estimates. Would make sense for OR and WA to be part of the CA block.

TX I have a different opinion about. I want them to be separate, because on the one hand we could fuck with them from the outside (as blue states). On the other hand, they are very close to turning blue, so let them figure it out for themselves. Either way, good.

There could be a sane NE block of blue states, and a completely useless, economically broke SE block. The SE block would suffer dramatically by losing all their blue state subsidies.

And so on and so forth. There is always the issue if we would be weaker as separate in regards to global security, and how nukes would be split up, etc. Pull or disable the nukes at a national level in all the red states where they all currently exist. I say fuck it, I'm sick of these fucking treasonous assholes and don't want to live in the same country as majority area Trumptards.

I guess I have a problem with continuing to subsidize the stupid. Especially when the stupid holds us back from meaningful progress in important areas, like green energy and public health. And of course, civil rights.

I don't know how secession would really work. Even in the reddest states, like Mississippi, more than 40% of the people aren't Republicans. And in blue states, like NY, there's a lot of folks upstate who do identify as Republicans. It'd be a mess.

Yeah, I feel like the other side would not agree to a peaceful secession, anyway. What I find disturbing is what he says about the military choosing a side

And if you'd choose secession, would you be willing to move to a blue area?

https://www.wired.com/2022/05/geeks-guide-stephen-marche/