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Civil War or Secession? Neither. The fact that very nearly 50% of our population are rabid righty, Trumpist or some combination thereof and believe the bullshit and are willing to become a Christian fundamentalist kleptocracy is so disheartening I'm more about abandoning ship.
The dream is over.
We're pretty much anchored here so long as my 98 yo Mom is still alive, but are hoping (Covid willing) to head over to the maritimes this summer to begin setting up an escape pad. From there, NZ, Australia, even Portugal look better than here.
I'm going to post my comment before reading the article (which I fully intend on reading).
I know there are pros and cons, but I am in favor of splitting this shit up. Maybe 5 ways. I read a comment above that CA could easily survive on their own and that's true. CA's economy is higher than most countries in the world. Fifth largest in the world per some estimates. Would make sense for OR and WA to be part of the CA block.
TX I have a different opinion about. I want them to be separate, because on the one hand we could fuck with them from the outside (as blue states). On the other hand, they are very close to turning blue, so let them figure it out for themselves. Either way, good.
There could be a sane NE block of blue states, and a completely useless, economically broke SE block. The SE block would suffer dramatically by losing all their blue state subsidies.
And so on and so forth. There is always the issue if we would be weaker as separate in regards to global security, and how nukes would be split up, etc. Pull or disable the nukes at a national level in all the red states where they all currently exist. I say fuck it, I'm sick of these fucking treasonous assholes and don't want to live in the same country as majority area Trumptards.
I guess I have a problem with continuing to subsidize the stupid. Especially when the stupid holds us back from meaningful progress in important areas, like green energy and public health. And of course, civil rights.
Unfortunately I think even a secession wouldn't have that great of results for everyone when it comes to climate change and green energy, and might actually make it worse. They'd probably start burning more fossil fuels, revert to coal, give no fucks about dumping whatever they want in the waterways, which will still be shared with the rest of the US and fuck up everything for everyone. Let's say TN, KY and WV secede and VA stays, they'll be sandwiched with pollution.
I don't know how secession would really work. Even in the reddest states, like Mississippi, more than 40% of the people aren't Republicans. And in blue states, like NY, there's a lot of folks upstate who do identify as Republicans. It'd be a mess.
Yeah, I feel like the other side would not agree to a peaceful secession, anyway. What I find disturbing is what he says about the military choosing a side
I believe he’s correct on that. Which is what makes the bullshit that Bush did to the military just so much worse. There are really scary motherfuckers in there now.
@DeathofRats-BadgeHoorMaroon can you elaborate?
And if you'd choose secession, would you be willing to move to a blue area?
I was just copying and pasting this part:
“I think there might well come a point where California would be better on its own, Texas would be better on its own. They don’t share a lot in any way.“
The problem with that is that massive swathes of these states are Ds or Rs. Texass is, by all measures, a Dem state with R control. And CA has a whole northern portion that’s American Taliban. Succession would be messy. What would be better is if Ds began to rage against the machine. Boycott the fuckers that fund this shit. Cripple some oligarchs financially. Rise up and stop the masters of dirt and sand. Because we are the majority. Period. Stomp these fucks down and or out.
@DeathofRats-BadgeHoorMaroon I wish it was easy to fix this. The last civil war killed more Americans than all other wars combined. Afterward, all southerners were pardoned.
Almost simultaneously, about 5 days later if memory serves me correctly, Abe signed the death warrants for 38 natives in the largest mass hanging in US history which occurred in what/where is now the library is in downtown Mankato MN. A handful of the natives had rebelled after crooked Indian agents stole or refused to provide rations which led to starvation. The agent said, "Let them eat Grass".