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"I'm not getting in that car" Pence on Jan 6

Great summary by Chris Hayes of what was at stake and the likely real reasons Pence was reluctant to leave the Capitol on Jan 6.

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MarjorieTrailerPeen

May 08

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I believe that Pence had foreknowledge of something, even if he was not privy to the machinations of the coup plotters.

bullet-tooth tony

May 08

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As did Chuck Grassley, at least I've since learned. I wasn't really aware of Grassley's comments about not expecting Pence to be there to preside over the count.

Unknown member

May 06

I'm not seeing the comments on my end.

In a word to describe the report:

"Chilling!".

To think that a coup could take place at the white house is unimaginable up to this point in my lifetime. As well, Mike Pence had more backbone than generally perceived.

I certainly want to see those responsible held accountable. To do less is a monumental travesty and unconscionable IMO.

LinnieMae

Apr 30

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This news has been out since shortly after January 6th and in fact, it was also reported in Leonnig & Ruckers's "I Alone Can Fix It" last year:

UK Independent: Mike Pence refused to get in car amid 6 January riots fearing Secret Service ‘conspiracy’, reports claim (16 July 2021)

Excerpt:

"Tim Giebels, the lead special agent in charge of the former vice president’s protective detail, reportedly “twice asked Pence to evacuate the Capitol” to which Mr Pence refused, The Post said. ...

“'I’m not getting in the car, Tim,' Mr Pence replied. 'I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.'”

But I'm glad the committee's bringing that to the public's attention in a high-profile way now. My bigger question is: What did Chuck Grassley know and when did he know it? How far did the plot go?

Insider: GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley briefly confuses everyone over announcement on Pence and Electoral College certification (5 January 2021)

Excerpt:

"GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley on Tuesday generated a whirlwind of confusion among reporters and on social media after suggesting that Vice President Mike Pence would not preside over the Electoral College certification on Wednesday.

"'We don't expect him to be there,' Grassley, 87, initially said of Pence, per Roll Call. As president pro tempore of the Senate, or the second-highest ranking official of the chamber, Grassley suggested he would stand in for Pence.

"But within minutes, Grassley backtracked. ..."

This loose end needs to be tied up.

LinnieMae

Apr 30

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@TheyShouldHaveVaxxed : When you google it, Grassley seems to have made this go away, explaining it in a way that doesn't sound consistent. So I just submitted this to the committee, as follows:

Not a tip, per se, but a question I haven't heard follow-up on: What did Chuck Grassley know and when did he know it, when on January 5 he said they didn't expect Pence to attend and he (Grassley) would stand in for him?

Iowa Capital Dispatch: Grassley suggests he may preside over Senate debate on Electoral College votes (January 5, 2021):

“Well, first of all, I will be — if the Vice President isn’t there and we don’t expect him to be there, I will be presiding over the Senate,” according to a transcript of his remarks sent by a spokesperson.

https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2021/01/05/grassley-suggests-he-may-preside-over-senate-debate-on-electoral-college-votes/

I don't expect an answer from the committee, and don't have personal insights. Just hope this hasn't been overlooked.

TheyShouldHaveVaxxed

Apr 30

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@LinnieMae Thanks for asking! I will too!

Dong Bag

May 01

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@LinnieMae I doubt they missed that.

Seems Grassley was in on it. They knew Pence wouldn't do Trump's bidding, so disappear Pence and have Grassley do it instead.

Even if we are so lucky to have 2024 be Biden against a non-insurrectionist (let's say, Lisa Murkowski), and Biden loses, Kamala should try to run the exact play they wanted Pence to run. Get a supreme court ruling against that shit.

TheyShouldHaveVaxxed

Apr 30

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Trump was staging a full-blown coup. Kidnapping the Vice President to prevent him from doing his job and republicans just say “meh”?

Tallywhacker73

May 08

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@TheyShouldHaveVaxxed

So do Democrats! Where's fucking Biden, where's Congress?! Let's put this entire movement on trial. It's absolutely pathetic how weak and hidden the investigation has been. This should be front page news, like the watergate trials!

I'd never, ever, ever vote for one of those fascist pieces of shit, but man, Biden is just an awful choice. A 97yo fucking ultimate insider who still has no clue the threat these people represent. Can we give power to SOMEONE in the party who's not decrepit and senile and has the balls/ovaries to fucking fight?

gregoryhcain

Apr 30

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Trump scares me more than COVID19; there’s no vaccine to protect us from Trump!

Stop the Madness

May 01

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There is: It's called Critical Thinking.

garbagebawx

May 08

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There is a tool to prevent that! It's called voting!!! Vote Blue! That'll stop the madness! Critical thinking doesn't really help much because MAGAts are in that mix to muck up good critical thinking.

Robert Hedges

Apr 30

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Very insightful....thanks for posting!