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    Dash  ·  
    May 26

    Police Response in Texas Shooting was Piss-Poor

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    I knew something was rotten about how hard Governor Hotwheels was bootlicking the police response, and now we learn that the cops let that shitbag shoot up the school for ONE HOUR while panicked parents stood outside, begging for them to either do something or let the parents go in themselves. Unfuckingbelievable.


    You can take it to the bank -- when a Republican says something is terrific, that thing is in fact very shitty.


    Texas school shooting: Haunting questions emerge about how a gunman got into an elementary school and stayed up to an hour, killing 19 children and 2 teachers - CNN

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    Mary Hilton
    Jun 02
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    I read this opinion today, and it seems to reinforce my earlier comments about the response to the shooting being a racist thing.

    According to it, the white power structure keeps the Hispanic population in thrall to their power. (Just as I surmised.)

    "They acted, generally, as if saving a brown child from the slaughter was not worth the price of Uvalde’s police officers, who are, by dint of having most of the guns, the embodiment of white power."


    www.rawstory.com
    What the Uvalde Police department is hiding: White power killed those kids
    Texas law enforcement authorities said last week that Salvador Ramos got into Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas, by way of a door propped open by a teacher. From there, they said, Ramos found a classroom with two teachers and 19 fourth-graders. He shot them all to pieces.The same officials said Tuesd...

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    Abider
    Jun 02
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    A lot of Hispanics that I know (I live in North Texas) vote conservative because they don't want anyone to associate them with "the illegals". They are usually very quick to tell a white person how they were born here, or that their families go back so many generations, etc. They will do almost anything to not be viewed as illegitimate, and more than a few of them hate undocumented workers for putting them in that situation. I would imagine that the closer you get to the southern border, the more common this is.


    I see it as a type of Stockholm syndrome, really, and I didn't understand the depth of it until I talked to Hispanics who were voting for Trump despite his calling them rapists and such. This stuff goes DEEP. I always cringe when liberals refer to Texas Hispanics as "LatinX" - which they hate with a passion. Even if they might agree with Democrats on a lot of working-people and social issues, this one thing keeps them supporting conservative candidates -- the hope that they will be accepted by the powers that be (i.e., white and moneyed people) as belonging, as opposed to "the other".

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    DeathofRats-BadgeHoorMaroon
    Jun 05
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    @Abider Spot on. Internalized racism. I don’t understand why they’d want to be disassociated with some a hard-working group of people. The USA is fucked without Mexican and South American labor. The whole mentality of dismissing the skilled labor involved in agriculture underpins the whole debacle. We act as if this isn’t crucial. We treat important humans as if they aren’t important. We act as if our food happens as if by magic. We allow horrific conditions for migrant workers. All of this makes huge bank for very, very rich Americans. It only works because racism works so effectively. I wish people understood how much racism within “umbrella groups” also plays into all of this. One of the most racist people I ever knew in my life was from Peru. She was hired to interpret for me. Not until I was interviewing a Mexican family did I find out how much she hated Mexicans. I simply couldn’t believe what I heard. I was so shocked. This same thing was described to me by black friends with very very dark skin color. Said their whole lives they’d been treated differently by lighter friends and family. Also found that shocking to hear. Humans are just fucking weird, gross and tribal. I don’t know what else to say about us except we are disappointing and could be so much more than what we are.

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    LinnieMae
    Jun 05
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    @DeathofRats-BadgeHoorMaroon : My son worked in roofing installation in Arizona for a short time. Said he'd never seen such hardworking people as the Mexicans who worked alongside him. He was sure at least some of them were undocumented workers, and he didn't have a problem with that. Who else is gonna do that work? My son lived there in the early spring, and left not long after when the temps hit 109° in, like, April.

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    Disgusted once again
    Jun 02
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    Opinion | I’m from Uvalde. I’m not surprised this happened. - The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/29/uvalde-shooting-warning-signs-racism-poverty-guns/


    Saw this article that gives one an idea of the typical mind set of rural Texas politics. I found it interesting that author points out large percentage of Hispanics but all the "officials" were white Republicans during the 1st news conference with Gov Abbott. Even though both police chiefs(city and ISD) were Hispanic but were not allowed to speak.

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    Abider
    May 31
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    I spent a few days away from this thread and in the meantime we have found out that the reality is, unimaginably, far worse than we feared.


    Remember the unofficial police motto - "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6."


    There's going to be an investigation and we may get a few more details, but honestly the gist is pretty simple. They didn't go in....because they didn't want to get shot.

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    DeathofRats-BadgeHoorMaroon
    Jun 05
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    That’s an Army combat motto, too. Or was. When it was cool to slaughter civilians in the streets of Baghdad.

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    Pat Rice
    May 30

    FACT#1: Since 2015, Texas has been leading yearly gun deaths in the USA.


    In 2020, Texas had a 14.2% gun death rate (4,164 deaths) and IL had a 14.1% gun death rate (1,745 deaths). I'm tired of hearing that gun crime in Chicago is worse, while people don't look at the real numbers. Gun death by crime may be worse in Chicago, but more people are dying by guns in Texas in cases such as friendly fire, accidental shootings, suicide, etc

    - CDC NCHS Stats: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

    - John Hopkins: https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/new-report-highlights-us-2020-gun-related-deaths-highest-number-ever-recorded-by-cdc-gun-homicides-increase-by-more-than-one-third


    FACT#2: In 1996, the Republican-congress stripped any funding for gun research on behalf of the NRA. That ban is still in place, so there is no regular gun deaths research nor better predictors.

    - Non-Paywall: https://thehill.com/news/286847-gop-blocks-dem-attempts-to-allow-federal-gun-research/

    - Paywall: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/04/gun-violence-research-has-been-shut-down-for-20-years/


    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm (The statistics below are pulled from death certificates and this is the only funding power the CDC has, so data is always a few years behind)


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    She sat there and she said...
    May 30
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    The fact that they made it illegal to study gun incidents just shows how abjectly corrupt they are.

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    ilharleyguy
    May 30

    I bet the police arrived late because they had to get the Humvee out for a photo op on arrival. Why was there never any smoke deployed? Surely they had flash bang grenades, is it even possible for a lone gunman to cover both ends of the building at the same time? The inhumanity of this is ludicrous Can't wait to watch the awards ceremony for these brave officers who stopped it from becoming worse? WTF

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    siva.chander
    May 30
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    I'm guessing it was a turf/jurisdiction tussle between the UPD ( which had a 9-man SWAT team) and the CISD (which had 6 SROs with some tactical training, but no SWAT team). It looks like they're going to throw the Chief of the Uvalde CISD, Pedro Arredondo, under the truck for the screw-up:


    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/29/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-sunday/index.html


    (IMHO, the blame has to be shared by the CISD chief, the UPD chief as well as State agencies, but it was the CISD chief who was the commander on the scene, so he'll have

    to take the blame.)



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    She sat there and she said...
    May 30
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    @siva.chander I keep wondering about the communications between the 911 dispatchers and the police on the scene. Were there no communications? How did they break down?

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    May 29

    One little girl was shot once in the kidneys. Bled out because of the police. Doctor told parents she could have lived.

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    Vaxxed&Furious
    May 28

    New flag for chickenshit cops. Feel free to repost wherever you like.



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    Polly Plague
    May 28
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    Article https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/stopping-mass-shooters-q-a-00035762


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    She sat there and she said...
    May 28
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    Politicians won't pay attention because money.

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    10 point White tail
    May 28
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    @Polly Plague interesting article

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    bodrell.b
    May 28
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    So much for the "good guys with guns" theory.

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    jvraines
    May 28

    Let's face it: for most cops, policing is an opportunity to wield authoritah over the enemy — oops, public — and play with military weapons. They are most certainly not interested in opening the door on an AK47-wielding killer just to rescue some stranger's kids. The police exist to protect The Man and that's the end of the story.

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    She sat there and she said...
    May 28
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    Totally agree!

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    LinnieMae
    May 27
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    Abbott's now doing a photo op promising Uvalde all kinds of aid from state agencies and others. Notably, there's no mention of taking steps to prevent mass gun deaths from happening again. The word 'gun' is not mentioned.


    EDIT: Now he's taking questions he doesn't want to answer. Keeps deflecting to his distraction, saying he'll answer *those other questions* afterward. Sure, he will. 🙄

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    WTF Vax Up
    May 28
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    @10 point White tail Did he ever have a logical train of thought for the betterment of the people who elected him & he's supposed to serve. Serious question, not banter, I really don't understand his line of thinking...or the electorate that re-elects the whole lot of them against their own best interests. Paxton quickly comes to mind, the att gen who thinks laws are useless in reducing gun violence. WTF, truly.

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    Pro-Vaccinator, not procrastinator
    May 28
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    @WTF Vax Up welcome to movement conservatism. Policies that actually address problems and provide solutions be damned. The reality is what we say it is (Rumsfeld I believe) and the solutions are also what we say they are despite the majority of people recognizing how full of shit they really are. Very effective when you have a party with think tanks and foundations funding the psychologists and marketers to find hot-button issues and determine how to message on them to keep people voting against their own best interests. Tragic.

    And going to be the downfall of our democracy here in US. Alexis de Tocqueville (French writer around the revolutionary war times) had serious doubts about democracy until he toured the then growing US countryside. He was convinced democracy could work afterwards because he found even farmers in their fields could discuss intelligently all the topics of the day and their impacts. We have lost that. We now have memes, social media, and a damn near illiterate society who haven’t a clue how our government is constructed and is supposed to work. We have allowed the defunding of education while remodeling our economy to vastly benefit only a very small percentage of our population.

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    WTF Vax Up
    May 28
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    @Pro-Vaccinator, not procrastinator Thank you for outlining that! de Tocqueville was onto something, sad for us the degradation of our wonderful common values! Scared for the future generations if it continues on the path we're riding. I laugh at Jimmy Kimmel's clips when they question passer-bys on things like branches of govt and current affairs relating to our civics' knowledge. The laugh is a nervous one, however.


    Mr "We don't know what we don't know" Rumsfeld...ucky being, now passed thankfully. Was horrified watching him orchestrate the Iraq War, our troops bore the brunt of his ignorant selfish words and actions. Ugly, awful period in our history. The beat goes on...

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    Mary Hilton
    May 27
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    From what I've read, his mother and father were separated, the gunman lived with his grandmother, and his parents didn't give a shit about him.

    His mother is/was a drug addict, who wasn't exactly the upstanding member of society, and his father took off a long time ago.

    Abuse, drugs and apathy are great ways to ruin a child who has a stutter and emotional problems to begin with. He was bullied throughout his life.

    I don't know where he got the money, but it cost him over $2K for that gun and ammo. Pretty sure that it wasn't legal money, either.

    Texas has some of the most purely evil elected officials I've seen in a long time-all of them Republican, who chase the almighty dollar.

    If they can't run the state, how does anyone expect the cops to do a better job?

    However, the top cop in Texas said, "We make big boo boo." not too loudly, though.


    www.thedailybeast.com
    Chief Details Uvalde Kids’ Agonizing Calls to 911 as Cops Stood By
    “From the benefit of hindsight, from where I’m sitting now, of course it was not the right decision,” Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCraw said.

    Why, gee whiz, ya think? Bozo! Dozens of calls, pleas from parents, and they stood around twiddling their thumbs with an active shooter in the building.

    I'd suggest everyone involved in that massacre go back to basic training and get it right. The next time could be even fucking worse.

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    MucusPlug
    May 28
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