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    Dip Dibbler
    Dash  ·  
    Jun 17
    Edited: Jun 17

    Anyone! Mike Pence-Unwitting hero?

    in General Discussion

    I'm rewriting this query so to generalize this question. The original was not intended to embarrass anyone. I'm not intending to attack anyone in any manner. I am trying to get a, or "the proper perspective" on Pence. Zero?-Hero?-Punk azz B?.


    I note that some have on occasion been somewhat reticent recently when it comes to giving Pence credit. Yah that's fair if you question giving him credit about doing the right thing. I note some statements like, "Look at all the ass-kissing and GOP "playing along" Pence did prior to FINALLY standing up to Trump and doing the right thing, Pence did do the right thing at the 11th hour of the electoral count session. (Am I Close ?)


    I am thinking "Thank Gob he, Pence, finally did the right thing!" "Whew, that was close!"


    But yah...Pence was Trump's Punk up until that point. Ole smiley, pale, possum-face, head-nodding Trump sycophant that he is/was 'ole Mike Pence.


    Eh? Most of the GOPers became Trump's punk sooner than later. I couldn't believe it and neither could most rational people. The repugs laughed in Trump's face at first and insulted him until he became president then...


    The GOP suddenly became a nastily greased machine of Trump Ass kissing, back-peddling conniving bitches. They smelled like Trump's ass I heard cause all of them were running behind Trump kissing his stankiness 24-7.


    Soon, Trump, had them cowering and kowtowing like a pack of gutless fooking Republican hyenas.


    Lawrence O'Donnell asked the same question or made the same statement as have others.

    Here's the vid and I still am wondering the "why" of the whole thing.


    To answer my own question as to why:

    1. Pence did the right thing to avoid prosecution.

    2. Pence was trying to cast himself favorably in order to wash from himself the filth of the

    Trump republicans. In doing so he might be considered in a more favorable light when/if it comes to selecting the 2024 republican presidential candidate.




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    Dip Dibbler
    Jun 22
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    Well. Mike Pence and Fox, I believe they have validated all of the Mike Pence prejudices/comments here. My bad for withholding my cynicism. But it's below in this about 5-minute Vid.


    The Vid Produced by this Youtube influencer, (I don't even know the vernacular to describe a wannabe News Producer) B.T. Cohen puts this out. I usually only watch the pro-produced snippets of this guy's vids and punch out before he delivers his analysis/spiel. I watched the entire vid this time. At first, I thought Fox was talking about Dump, but it was Biden!!! lol. OMG, the hilarious hypocrisy is damn nearly unbearable ha ha ha. Anyway, you guys win. Pence the dummy won't even stand up for himself after nearly getting lynched. I give you Pence the imbecile. Of less worth than Dan Quayle.

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    Plague_Weary
    Jun 19
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    Okay, here is my take. Take from it what you will. I don't think Pence is a hero.


    What I think, after years of abuse and disparagement from TFG, he took his revenge. He used Dan Quayle and Paul Ryan as good Republican shields.


    He saw an opportunity and he took it. "Let's take him down" and this is the way I will do it.


    I don't think he was expecting as much push back from the "normal" Republicans.


    I think it was revenge. Not heroic.

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    Dip Dibbler
    Jun 19
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    That to me is a very interesting explanation. Thank you! Just the sort of thing common to human history. mmm-hmm. A dash of killing X birds in the mix I'd guess. Something about a GQP trainwreck yah gotta love. Now to get rid of all that toxic junk.

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    Dip Dibbler
    Jun 18
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    The consensus here is somewhat parallel with that of the insurrectionists. (spell check complete. Funny I can't write/spell a sentence correctly without it lol)

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    DeathofRats-BadgeHoorMaroon
    Jun 18
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    What’s funny to consider is how sad some of the Xtian oligarchy must be that Pence is loathed. They’d have loved to elevate a Jesus freak that also was a prosperity grifter. Dump did what they wanted for the profit, but he and the two Corinthians really weren’t pals. Though, come to think about about, maybe they don’t care. They’ve shown favoritism to the Catholic brand of loon that they’ve installed on the Supreme Court. Maybe an Evangelical isn’t what they want. Maybe they’re gunning for a Grand Inquisitor.

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    Shade Garden
    Jun 18
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    If Mike Pence seriously thinks he could be the 2024 nominee, he's nuts. The batshit crazy violent Christofascist Nazi loons that make up the Republican base despise him because he spoiled Dear Leader's coup. They would rather hang him than vote for him.

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    Dip Dibbler
    Jun 18
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    Normal duties, just a ceremonial event etc? Don't compare apples to oranges.


    Personally, I am no Pence or Republican fan. The ideas and politics practiced by them have produced outrageous policies that are excruciatingly awful, ugly, and regressive. Ha ha as far as America's unmasked corrupt reality, SSDD.


    Is the remedy for a social illness to practice similar behaviors for your team? I don't think so. That is simply the other side of the same bigoted coin and not a coin of better value or social worth. Be reasonable. Give credit where credit is due. I'm not saying we celebrate Pence. Also, I am not saying we "Hang Mike Pence" either. You cannot honestly take his rightful actions out of the equation of 01-06 and have the same result.


    If the pendulum of American idealism doesn't shift, this situation is likely to escalate into more prolific violence. You'll need an AR weapon to protect yourself from the other side's AR weapon. Either that or surrender your ideas and beliefs and join those who hold "Manifest Destiny" to be the true and righteous path. You'll have to join in the mass slaughter of all who do not subscribe to the violent and evil agenda of American Nazis. People of color likely will be targeted by default of their skin tone.


    That's me sitting in the corner...F the spotlight...losing my religion.

    Trump 'Handed Down Death Sentence To Mike Pence' To Stay In Power: Mary Trump - HuffPo
    Trump “wasn’t just stirring up his insurrectionists to create chaos.” He put Pence's life at risk to illegally stay in Oval Office, according to Trump's niece.
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    DeathofRats-BadgeHoorMaroon
    Jun 18
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    So here’s my fine line: I can be surprised and grateful that he had a shred more ethics than he’d previously displayed while also not assigning him hero status or giving him a free pass. He stayed there and watched all that for 2 solid months. Prior to that he was part of all the crime for 4 years. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. Pence is an asshole and has always, always been one. He didn’t partake in the coup attempt but maybe he would have if he’d heard the military was ready to cave. I think a whole bunch of these fucks played chess while Dump played checkers. They knew they didn’t actually have the thing lined up like they needed. I still look forward to pissing on Pence’s grave. Same for Cheney. I say use her and then toss her under every bus she’s earned. Republicans have been diming out and screwing over Dems for decades. Not one of them worth rescuing from fire. Not these fuckers or any of the Lincoln Project. Are they useful? Yes. Have cons apologized for being wrong and evil criminals for this stretch of 40 years and the few hundred before that? NO. Fuck them all. They’re greedy, wrong-headed, racist opportunists that will pull every string to line their own pockets and push pain onto everyone else. Hate them. With a passion.

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    Charon the Ferryman
    Jun 18
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    Why does doing statutory duty as defined by rules and regulations, and law, make one a hero?

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    Pain in the Ash
    Jun 18

    Pence was made aware of TFG's plan for a LONG time before Jan 6th - as well as Barr. Both remained silent until the actual attack on the capital. Then AFTER the attack, in which TFG threw Pence under the bus in his tweets, Pence continued to cover for him and them.


    Pence did the bare minimum so he wouldn't be legally in trouble. He's no fucking hero.

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    TotsNPears
    Jun 17
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    I vote for punk AB.

    Someone prove otherwise

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    Dip Dibbler
    Jun 17
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    It is a fact what pence did. Not a belief. Had he done differently, we'd be in a whole new dimension of dystopian moments than the one at present. I inquired as to why. I am often suspicious or curious of the motivations of people or events.


    Similar thread started by BT Tony:

    https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/forum/general-discussion/i-m-not-getting-in-that-car-pence-on-jan-6

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    DeathofRats-BadgeHoorMaroon
    Jun 17
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    He’s a zero that understood his job was ceremonial and that’s it. He had seen evidence of Dumo being a delusional loon for 4 years and done nothing. When he lost the election, he then witnessed a couple solid months of the dirtbag getting crazier. There’s simply no way that Pence misunderstood Dump was dangerous prior to the 6th. He just wanted out alive. Zero. Supported that fucker through all th e prior crimes. Watched Jesus shat on and helped do the shitting. I hate them all. Fuck Pence.

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    Dip Dibbler
    Jun 17
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    John Wayne's teeth, John Wayne's teeth

    Are they plastic, are they steel?

    John Wayne's teeth, John Wayne's teeth

    Are they plastic, are they steel?

    John Wayne's teeth, John Wayne's teeth

    Are they plastic, are they steel?

    John Wayne's teeth, John Wayne's teeth

    Are they plastic, are they steel?

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    Publicenemy
    Jun 17

    None of them hare heros. They all stood by and did nothing for weeks. Fucktards

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    Kathmandu
    Jun 17
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    @Publicenemy ....and some are still blatantly lying.

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    Kathmandu
    Jun 17
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    I FEEL Pence got into bed with the wrong man as to his own personal spiritual beliefs. Another case of FAFO only with almost a disastrous outcome for him. He KNEW not to get into that car, if Colludacriss would go to the lengths he did to stop the count, Pence knew his number was next. His karma has yet to come for selling his soul to the devil when he accepted Captian Cheetos invitation. Fuck him.

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    Springsteen’s Girlfriend
    Jun 17
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    @Kathmandu I also think that though threatened, he could feel fairly secure with his escort of service agents and the unknown safe bunkers. I believe, he certainly was better protected than , say, the children of Sandy Hook or Uvalde

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    CoffinBuilder
    Jun 17

    pence is a lying POS


    If he could have made tRump president, he would have. It's my understanding that Dan Quayle saved us. Fuck pence.

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    Springsteen’s Girlfriend
    Jun 17
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    How appropriate. my favorite poem of all time!

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    Keepin’it real
    Jun 17
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    I like that, I think. Pence is not a hero, not before and not since, but in that night that mattered so much, he did the right thing. Brings to mind, The Road Not Taken.

    The Road Not Taken

    BY ROBERT FROST

    Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler, long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where it bent in the undergrowth; Then took the other, as just as fair, And having perhaps the better claim, Because it was grassy and wanted wear; Though as for that the passing there Had worn them really about the same, And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black. Oh, I kept the first for another day! Yet knowing how way leads on to way, I doubted if I should ever come back. I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference.

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    Springsteen’s Girlfriend
    Jun 17
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    When you look from that perspective, an heroic act, could be contemplated. At risk to himself and family, he proceeded. I will contemplate this and see how it informs my opinion. Dip, you are much more disciplined than I am. I know it is one of my many character flaws to be impulsive and jump right in without careful contemplation. I will concede that an argument can be made that he acted heroically in a time of great peril

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    Dip Dibbler
    Jun 17
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    Thanks for your reply.


    IMO, It was beyond the ken of doing one's job or in the least, "courageous" when people were physically hunting him and threatening to lynch him; when his bosses and high-ranking members of his cohort were trying to influence him to do what they want and telling him it is/was legal and within the prerogatives of his position to do so.


    They tried to physically move him out of the building with the covert intention of preventing him from officiating the ceremonial, but official, electoral count. When they attempted to maneuver him into the limo in the basement garage where he was hunkered down, they were trying, in a sense, to kidnap him to further enable their coup attempt.


    Never would I consider supporting Pence but at least in this important instance, he did the right thing in challenging circumstances. Actions of this nature have been virtually nonexistent in the Trump administration. Still, the question remains, why?

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    Tinyhandsbunkerboy
    Jun 17
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    Also, in stead of sleeping on it after the carnage, he decided to finish the job that night so the trumpturds didn't have another chance to sway him the next day!

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    oh the stupidity
    Jun 17
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    I agree with SG.

    While it’s refreshing to see a major sycophant like Pence FINALLY draw the line and do the (minimal) right thing, he was between a rock (Trump/mob) and a hard place (the Law). Which way to save his sorry ass? Expect a book deal soon.

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    Springsteen’s Girlfriend
    Jun 17
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    Dip, you raise an interesting question! Zero or Hero? Is a man measured by the accumulation of his good deeds throughout his life or, is he judged by one act, that sets him apart, by one heroic act? I don’t believe that someone is a hero for doing their job. We all go to work and do what we are paid to do. In my mind, A hero goes leaps and abound beyond. Pence did what all legal experts and scholars told him to do. one might say, to preserve himself. When looking at it in this way, was Pence acting unselfishly or was it an act of self preservation? There is no right or wrong answer. We each will decide, by using the accumulation of experiences and knowledge which form our very own unique perspective. I think hero he is not. I think a hero acts without unselfish intentions. If you think he is a hero that is your right and prerogative, and I will fight to the end , for your right to say so. I think that what is beautiful, is we all have the right to believe how we see fit! Hero or zero. Only his heart knows for sure. Peace out

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